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[mood | cynical]

So [info]replyhazy and I went to see Revenge of the Sith. "Detailed" analysis and potential spoilers behind the cut.

I can sum up my reaction to Revenge fo the Sith in one word.
Eh.

George Lucas can't write dialogue to save his f***ing life.

They wasted the talents of Natalie Portman and Christopher Lee, and I was disappointed that they didn't actually introduce us to any more of the Jedi. Yeah, it's true, I'm enough of an uber-geek that I already know the cone-heaed Jedi is named Ki-Adi-Mundi, but really that's about the only thing collecting action figures really does for a person. They could've done an entire series just about the various Jedi and their adventures, and that could've been pretty cool. They obviously spent a great deal of time on the various alien Jedi, only to kill them without letting us get to know them, without giving us the opportunity to care what happens to them.

The characters of Darth Tyrannus (Lee) Senator Amidala (Portman) and General Grievous (CGI construct) were simply there as plot devices. Grievous (Really, George, you should be ashamed of yourself. Try using a different naming formula besides title/adjective or name/adverb next time you want to introduce exotic and/or bad-ass characters. At least most of the Jedi had interesting names -- that's probably why they had to die; name envy on the parts of the other characters.) was far more sinister and threatening in the Clone Wars episodes (see below) instead of the comsumptive coward they made him into in Sith. Gack.

Hayden Christiansen was a complete mannequin, with one exception; when in the Chancellor's private box seats at the performance, (whatever it was) his mind being led down the dark path by Palpatine/Sidious, he actually looked conflicted and filled with doubt. Otherwise, his range of emotion seemed to go from angry to smug and back again.

Yoda. Once again with the "flyng muppet hidden Yoda" trick. I would've been more impressed if they had slowed things down in the fight scenes enough so I could actually see what was going on. I know they were going for superhuman levels of skill, but what they actually gave us were spinning light sticks instead.  Again, my reaction is "eh."

Over all, I can't honestly say that there's much to recommend in the second trilogy. Like a Thomas Covenant book, we keep following along in disgust, hoping things will get better, until we finally realize that there are far better ways to occupy our time. Gone from the new trilogy was the sense of wonder from the first three films. Gone was time well spent on character development for more than three characters at a time. Gone is the $25 I spent on seeing those three films.

My rating system for a film (and maybe yours, too) is simple; If I felt like I got my money's worth of entertainment from a film, I'm satisfied. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, while a big steaming pile, was also fun and had some moments (Nemo's Nautilus was very cool). While I would be willing to pay exactly zero to see it again, I don't feel horribly cheated, even though Alan Moore has every right to feel that way after what they did to his story. Using this same rating scheme, Only Phantom Menace held my interest enough that I'd consider buying the DVD, and then only for $10 or less. Speaking of waste, what about poor old Darth Maul? And let's not even mention Midichlorians, shall we? The only redeeming quality of Episode Two was the entire sequence with Obi-Wan on Camino. The rest was crap as far as I'm concerned, and the arena scene is so cliched as to be threadbare by now.

Frankly, Clone Wars, the series of animated shorts by Genndy Tartakovsky and friends run on Cartoon Network in five minute blocs was far superior to the Sith film. I recommend checking out the first half (50 minutes long), now available on DVD.

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[User Picture]From: [info]replyhazy
2005-06-11 09:48 pm (UTC)

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pink lightsaber! pink lightsaber!

I'm so with you. I would like all three movies recut into one as "The Obi-Wan Kenobi Show." If the scene doesn't feature the character prominently, then leave it out, because that's the only character I felt at all interested in by the end of the 1-2-3 trilogy.

But what was with him at the end, anyway... "You're like my brother, so I'm going to leave you to die horribly and slowly on the edge of this boiling hot river of lava. Later!"
[User Picture]From: [info]billzilla
2005-06-12 09:13 am (UTC)

No- leave me! You go on! Save yourself!

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Maybe he didn't have the strength to kill "his brother", or maybe he was so disgusted that a little of the Dark Side (TM) crept into him at that moment.

But why are you looking for tight plotting from a George Lucas film, anyway?

[User Picture]From: [info]replyhazy
2005-06-12 09:16 am (UTC)

Re: No- leave me! You go on! Save yourself!

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But why are you looking for tight plotting from a George Lucas film, anyway?

(cue music)

To dream... the impossible dream...
[User Picture]From: [info]bookzombie
2005-06-12 03:05 am (UTC)

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We saw 'Sith' last night. I have to buck the trend a little by saying that some of it I...quite liked.

Okay, get the easy bit out of the way first - it's not just that George can't write dialogue (it's no coincidence that the best film of the six is the one he didn't write) but also that he cannot direct actors. Portman, McGregor, Jackson, even Christensen (in Shattered Glass I am told) have shown that they can act.

The only person who has nothing to be ashamed for is Ian McDiarmid, who is obviously determined to have a whale of a time, whatever the director says!

Incidentally, what is Lucas' childhood trauma that he feels that so many people need to get their hands chopped off?! It's as bad as Farscape's eye fetish!

In fairness I thought the 'totally barking' version of Anakin in the last few minutes was actually quite convincing, it's the journey to get there that is less so.

But the bits I enjoyed: the opening rescue - looked great, was actually quite amusing in places.
The special effects were very often indeed quite spectacular.
Ian McDiarmid camping it up for all it's worth.
Um.(Damn it, less than 12 hours after watching the film and I'm forgetting the details already. Obviously indicative of something!)

Bits I liked less: Well, the dialogue generally.
Padme, the walking womb (as Penny described her after the film).
Anakin's first words after zipping-up the suit. Hearing James Earl Jones' voice intoning 'How's Padme?' is silly but the arms in the air long 'Nooooooooooooo' thing is a cliche that is only done when the micky is being taken these days.
Yoda's speech patterns. Annoying it is. Sentence every one around changed is. Speak like this not he used to.
As mentioned above, Anakin's character journey was just too sudden. I would have preferred it if he started the film darker (and George, wearing a black uniform is not sufficient).

Some questions/comments.
Surely the prophesy is fulfilled? He was supposed to balance the force and at the end we have two Sith & two surviving Jedi.
You've got to give the Jedi full marks for bad psychology. 'So the Chancellor has asked you to be put on the Jedi council? That's nice. You want to be made a Master because of this? No way. Now run along and spy on the man who put you here.' You sometimes wonder if they wanted him to go to the dark side, don't you?
So, the implication is that R2D2 knew who Luke was all the time, given that only C3PO has his memory wiped (and did anyone else feel that that seemed to be rather brutal?). I'm not sure whether I am amused or annoyed by this - it's a fun idea but it doesn't really fit with the events of the other films (and means that Obi-Wan lies about that to Luke as well).

Anway, I thought that it was mainly entertaining, and certainly a better Star Wars film than the other two. I am still more excited about this week's Doctor Who though...
[User Picture]From: [info]replyhazy
2005-06-12 09:00 am (UTC)

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Surely the prophesy is fulfilled? He was supposed to balance the force and at the end we have two Sith & two surviving Jedi.

See, that's the thing that really annoys me no end. Lucas would have us believe that "balancing" the force means "destroying the sith lord" which Vader/Anakin eventually does. This is obviously some totally wacko definition of the word "balance" that doesn't involve English!

Just thinking about it makes me want to turn to drink.
[User Picture]From: [info]billzilla
2005-06-12 09:09 am (UTC)

Show of hands

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I can't take issue with the opening rescue scene either; it was pretty exciting. The chopping off hands fetish IS pretty wierd. We counted SIX separate incidents of hand-chopping (EIGHT if you count Dooku and Mace Windu as two - once for each hand.) That's an average of nearly once per film!
I argued with [info]replyhazy that our interpretation of the prophecy is correct - that Annakin/Vader brought balance to the Force by wiping out all but two of the Jedi. One master, one apprentice.
The Jedi Council certainly weren't a nurturing bunch, were they?

Droids aren't considered to have feelings; do you associate your computer with human traits/personality? Wouldn't you wipe your hard drive to protect yourself from an intergalactic dictatorship that was looking for any information you might have -- much of which C-3PO already had in his memory banks - like who Annakin's children were and where they went, for instance. Yes, it was surprising that the same didn't happen to R2-D2.

I liked some of the film as well, but overall I felt it to be rather poor.

Welcome to LJ, by the way!

B.
[User Picture]From: [info]whumpdotcom
2005-06-12 09:42 am (UTC)

Re: Show of hands

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There was something missing from the opening bit. It was busy and technically cool, but it didn't grab me. I didn't feel the stakes.

Maybe if Lucas had intercut to scenes of debris from the fight in orbit crashing into buildings, a smoldering pilot's helm bouncing across someone's penthouse deck.

There's a bloody civil war on and the only time we see anything resembling civilian reaction, it's the damn opera.
[User Picture]From: [info]rawdon
2005-06-12 02:21 pm (UTC)

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I thought McGregor came off pretty well in this film - better than in Attack of the Clones, anyway. McDiarmid did a good job. That was about it, though.

The Vader scene you mention I think would have worked better if he had just said - rather the screamed - "No... no." As if determined to do something, but he doesn't know what.

Obi-Wan certainly doesn't come out of the series looking very noble, given how he - as you point out - lied to Luke by commission or omission several times. I always chalked that up to the fly-by-night plotting of the original series (since the Vader/Luke and Luke/Leia familial relationships were clearly tacked on in the second and third movies). But this trilogy adds some many unnecessary bits - why have 3P0 and R2 in it at all? - that it's clear Lucas just isn't good at sophisticated plotting.

I need to write my own review of this one... maybe tonight.